According to Greenwald, the war in Ukraine is only benefiting a “tiny sliver” of Americans such as defense contractors, people in the security state, and the elites in Washington, D.C., and yet the Biden administration appears to be prolonging the conflict.
Before bringing Greenwald on, the show’s host — Laura Ingraham — read from an op-ed in the New York Times by Christopher Caldwell, which argued that the conflict in Ukraine is spiraling out of control, and that U.S. policymaking has contributed to that.
“We have given Ukrainians cause to believe they can prevail in a war of escalation… That naturally may create among American policymakers a sense of moral and political obligation — to stay the course, to escalate the conflict, to match any excess,” the quote from the op-ed reads.
Following that warning from Caldwell’s op-ed, Ingraham pointed out a concerning headline from The Hill, which reads “36 Experts Agree: Stay the Course In Ukraine.”
“We couldn’t help but get the sense that we’ve heard this language before,” Ingraham said, responding to the headline.
She then showed two clips, one of former Secretary of State Colin Powell saying “We are doing the right thing and we must stay the course,” and one of former President George W. Bush saying “My message today, to those in Iraq, is: We’ll stay the course.”
Clearly, the government, the security state, and the media are all pushing for this war to continue, and they are using the same language that they used during the failed Middle Eastern wars. The question is: why?
“How many times have we heard this ‘stay the course’ [and] ‘victory is around the corner’ — ‘we got them on the run, let’s surge’… Are you surprised by this at this point?” Ingraham asked Greenwald.
“You know, every time I’ve been on your show to talk about this war from the start, the theme has always been the one question that’s most important happens to be the one never being asked, which is: In what way does this war serve the interests of the American people?” he responded.
“It doesn’t. Obviously, it serves the interest of a tiny sliver of people in Washington, weapons manufacturers, people in the security state who get money and power from these sorts of things,” Greenwald continued.
He then pointed out a curious coincidence: As soon as the money flowing to the war profiteers dried up, another war began.
“And right at the moment, when their market for these weapons disappeared, when the U.S. finally got out of Iraq and Afghanistan, lo and behold, there’s this new market in Ukraine,” Greenwald said.
Greenwald also noted that the discussion surrounding the United States’ interference in Ukraine has been suppressed, especially the fact that we have been meddling in the country for a lot longer than most Americans realize.
“I think this op-ed really reflects the fact of how suppressed the debate has been, because it points to things like, we’ve been in Ukraine since 2014, we’ve been arming them since at least 2017 or 2018 with heavy weaponry, making very provocative gestures toward Russia right on the other side of the border,” he said.
He went on to point out that, rather than focusing on solving the conflict in a way that could save lives, the Biden administration has actually been contributing to an escalation of violence in Ukraine.
“And there’s been an absence of any attempt to resolve the war diplomatically, which is what you would be doing, trying to solve it diplomatically if you actually cared about the Ukrainians,” Greenwald said.
“The Biden administration instead has been escalating the war seemingly deliberately, which is what you would do if you don’t care about Ukrainians, but instead care about weapons manufacturers and the power of the U.S. security state,” he added.